What's up with the job market this year? I've had a couple of interviews, but no offers.
I really hate speakerphone interviews. I think that I handle them well, but I never get an invite afterwards, so who knows. There is a fine line between blowing your own horn and being a blowhard. In person there are subtle clues to let you know how you're going over. On the speakerphone, you have no ideas how you're being received.
I've been on the hiring end of these speakerphone travesties too, and so I know that people do roll their eyes at one another if you go on for too long, blissfully unaware that you've crossed a line that's visible only to those in the same room with the speaker.
Someone I know made the first cut at UNC Wilmington, but then never heard back from them. It's been at least a month I think. My guess is that they're done or almost done.
I made the JMU short list and heard nothing else but noticed a listing for a 1-year position on the ASA site a few days ago. Did they lose funding for the tt position (again)??
I don't have many friends on the market this year (they all got hired last year, bless their productive souls) and I had to cancel the one on-campus I got (family disaster) so my info is limited.
Kent State has screwed up their hiring process for most of the past twenty years.
Speakerphone interviews are a waste of time, IMO. I've been on both ends and found as an interviewer (against my will) that I could only learn who had an intense accent, who was relaxed or tense during a phone interview, and who was entertaining. Not completely irrelevant but not much to go on.
A careful examination of the written record is much more useful and I found that phone interviews only encouraged my colleagues not to bother familiarizing themselves with a candidate's record.
Can we switch the comment formatting so that it indicates the date of our comments? Right now it seems like we've got job talk for the 2006 year combined with newer info on the 2007 year?
I haven't heard from Marquette yet, but I also hadn't heard from Kent State or UC Irvine and from other posts it sounds like both have already called folks on the short list, so take that for what it's worth.
I was also wondering if folks could spell out school names rather than use the letters - I know it might be a pain, but there are quite a few schools with the same 3 letters. Thanks!
Somebody mentioned earlier that Indiana is already interviewing, but which Indiana? Georgia U. in Athens already sent out first rejection letters. Will other schools ever notify rejects or just leave you hanging in the air? It is painful.
Purdue has a short list for hires (I know someone on it) and Kent State is interviewing (also know someone who received an interview there). University of North Florida has not made any decisions but has narrowed their list down as well.
I just got an email regarding a phone interview from Reed.
I know people who are giving talks at Indiana, UCSD, and McGill. Also, I know of a couple of people who have gotten emails from U-WA-Eaattle saying that they are interested but not calling folks yet.
have not heard anything from Marymount Manhattan..
And, schools really vary in terms of how fast they review the applications and how soon they send rejection letters or emails. But, people from earlier years tell that few schools do not send rejection letters at all.
Short lists may or may not be final. I served on our search committee last year, and we had almost twice (nine) as many people on our "short list" as we had in for talks (five).
UAB = Alabama-Birmingham. For the person on the UAB short list, did you do a telephone or on-campus interview with them?
From what I've been told, departments have a "long short list" and then a "short short list." The LSL will usually have 8-10 people, the SSL 3-5 people.
Some depts do telephone interviews with the long list, then narrow it down to the short list. Some just go straight to a short list. If they don't have accepted offers with any of the initial candidates on the short list, they'll start moving through the longer list.
When I applied, Case Western said they would try to be in contact in late October. I have not heard anything since. Sigh. After today, about 3/4 of my schools will be past their deadlines.
Most of schools with deadlines on Oct 1 have made their short list, at least. I think most of them with Oct 15 deadlines have not made their final decision yet.
I know for sure these places have invited people NYU Columbia Princeton Harvard and Harvard Society of Fellows Michigan UC Davis (both searches) UC Irvine, UCLA, Berkeley, UCSD SUNY Stony Brook Umass Amherst Northwestern (already offered the job!) and Chicago Loyola Chicago Arizona Indiana
Does anybody know anything about: UConn, Toronto, Barnard and Pomona College?
Got a rejection (email) from UC Davis a couple days ago. If you like at the websites of UCLA and UC Berkeley, you can see that they have already scheduled several job talks. University of Chicago has scheduled job talks as well, though not posted on website. Several of the same people are interviewing at these schools.
Anyone have any info about Princeton's search for an assistant professor who specializes in non-western societies? Someone told me this position has been advertised for several years now. What's the deal?
Three people (including me) in my department got emails on Monday or Tuesday from Reed College saying that they are "interested" in our applications and that they "might" schedule phone interviews next week. My department does have a somewhat large group on the market this year, but it makes me wonder just how many people Reed emailed... did anyone else receive a similar email? I guess I'm just trying to figure out if they emailed a short list or a medium list. Thanks!
Berkeley got 155 or so applications this year (for two jr positions), about the same as last year. The list was narrowed down to about 10 or 12, and then the faculty decided which six to bring in. I don't know if Berkeley gets quite as many apps as other "top" schools, but it makes me wonder which schools are getting 200+ applicants.
I also received an e-mail from Reed College on Monday. They don't seem to know exactly when their phone interviews will happen. Hard to tell what being "very interested" means to them.
i heard from a reliable source that Amherst had 320 applicants! Davis had 80 for both searches - the social psych and the historical comp method (the junior one, anyway). just to make sure: we are talking about Fall 2006 applications, right?
Question: How do you know if you're on the shortlist (I mean the list of 12 to 15, from which they pick 3 to interview). Do they always ask for additional materials?
you often don't find out if you are on the longer short list. at my school, a three member committee selected about 10 ppl for the longer shortlist, then a faculty meeting decided which 4-5 to pick for the "real" short list,and invite them to interviews
"Rather than posting, "Anyone heard from Iwant U.?", go check the list on the wiki.
If Iwant U. isn't there, nobody's heard anything yet."
Can you explain how this works, please? I know that if we post here, the posts show up right away...how do they get on that page? That list wasn't there when I checked earlier, and I already knew (from here) about all of those schools/
Besides, it seems to me that the mere posting of questions here serves as an outlet, regardless of whether the answers are on the wiki. (But I thought this was the wiki.) Is that not an appropriate use of this space?
Nice work by the person who put together the Wiki list. I didn't post there because it was tracking IP addresses. You can't be too paranoid during this process. ;-)
What happens once the five stars of this year's market accepted/declined offers? Will schools move down on their lists or that's it for them for this year?
If schools give offers to "superstars" or whoever and they get declined, they move on to the people on the "short list." If they don't fill the position from there (although most places will), they would move to the longer list, reopen the search, or scrap it for this year. But it's way too soon for that to have happened. Most schools are still creating their shortlists and inviting interviewees. Once people interview, it can take up to two weeks for them to negotiate or even turn down a contract.
No need to panic at this point if you haven't heard from places yet. It's still early, except for the major elite institutions. If you haven't heard from those places yet, you probably won't unless they had late deadlines. There are all sorts of deadlines that haven't passed even yet, and I keep getting new job ads still.
Can someone please explain how we update the list on the wiki? When I click on that link to update the list it brings me here anyway...what's the point?
On top there is a box that reads "edit page." click on that instead of the link that brings you here. Then, you can type. Scroll down and click on "save page."
Suffolk University posted an ad in the Jobbank with a Dec 15 deadline? They did the employment service thing in Montreal in August and asked people to apply immediately by then?
Got a letter from Scranton that said if I've not heard by 11/3, it's unlikely that they can pursue my application. I'm not posting them on the Wiki yet, but thought I'd let you guys know.
I don't think naming names is a great idea. I think it could open the door to hurtful gossip. But if you want to get an idea, all you have to do is look on the department calendars of many of the hiring schools. People are listed there, and you can start getting a sense of who's called where.
Some thoughts from someone who did this a few years ago (and who has since served on a search committee).
1. No, a bunch of places won't ever send rejection letters/notices.
2. No, some places won't reopen searches after they've gone down their short list. They may close the search for the year right away.
3. No, people on the long-short list don't necessarily ever hear that they were on it.
4. No, once an offer is made, the situation is not necessarily resolved in two weeks. One of the main things candidates can (and should) negotiate in the beginning of the process is extra time to make a decision about accepting a position. I realize that's unfortunate for all others who are waiting, however, it's not good to be pressured and rushed into decisions of this sort.
5. Yes, some places will continue to search for months and months. Back when I was on the job market a couple of years ago, a good school called me in March to ask about an interview. By then I had taken another (luckily better) job so it was irrelevant. But this is just to show that one never knows how late jobs are still open. (I realize that's not helpful, but that's the reality of the sitution.)
On the list here, it's more useful if people post what they DO know than ask what they want to know. Then, we'll contintue to update the wiki list to reflect the collective knowledge....
"On the list here, it's more useful if people post what they DO know than ask what they want to know. Then, we'll contintue to update the wiki list to reflect the collective knowledge.... "
While I think there's some truth to that, I also think it's useful for people to post questions about places. A school might not be on the list on the wiki but people might still know information about it - which they might only think to post once a query has been made. I'm also not sure why it's bad to post questions - it's not like it takes all that much effort to scroll through them...
Re: posting questions on the list I find it reassuring to know that others have not heard anything either. So please go ahead and post questions. Information about no information is still information. 10/6/2006
A friend of mine was just called for an interview at UC-Riverside, to the individual who inquired.
I would not have thought of posting this b/c (1) i don't check the blog regularly and (2) it just wouldn't occur to me, given how many departments are hiring.
this then harkens a well-established and strong effect in social psychology: diffusion of responsibility. if we assume we all share the same information, then any given individual may be less inclined to post information (without solicitation) or even update the wiki (without solicitation). the question prompts the cultural schema, which then prompts relevant information sharing.
my 2 cents, anyway. let's keep the question and information sharing active. it requires little transaction cost and benefits many greatly.
It strikes me that most departments want to categorize applicants, even if they aren't hiring for a specific sub-field. Rumor has it that the "top" departments (i.e., Harvard, Berkeley, Wisconsin, etc.) generally do not look for specific sub-fields, but even then they still have preferences often. I sat on the search committee at my school last year, which was an open search, but certain sub-fields caught people's eyes more than others. So you might want to think about how you sell yourself - as a generalist, but with in-depth knowledge in at least one or two sub-fields.
to the person interested in post-docs: i would love to share, or rather get, more info on post-docs. all the postdocs i'm familiar with do not match my areas, so i would love to learn about others in case they are more appropriate...
I'm wondering about Florida State. Have any junior candidates heard anything definite? They told me they were interviewing senior people first, but I haven't heard back.
One of the professors in my dept. (who is from Canada) said that it's generally harder for Americans to get jobs there. The prof specifically cited McGill not wanting to be a stepping stone for Americans who want to stay there for a couple of years, then move to a university back in the US. But this might not be the case with other institutions in Canada.
FWIW, Puget Sound sent a letter saying that it could take months but that all applicants will be notified when the search is over. I don't know whether that means anything.
I received a letter from Grinnell and it said that "The department is reviewing the applications and will identify ........ We hope to begin scheduling campus interviews by november 1." It is so strange. They sent the letter on the day of Nov. 1.
I received a letter from Scranton saying if I'd not heard anything by 10/15, that I was probably out. But their deadline was 11/1, and they called the week of Oct 24 to check on my availability. So I don't know what's up there.
Whoever posted on the wiki the info on Pomona. How does s/he know about it? Has s/he been invited (or knows of someone who has), got a rejection letter or has been told by the committee. Please let me know
I heard Pomona has invited candidates. As previous posts have indicated, rejection letters are unlikely to be sent until they have a group of candidates they're happy with--some departments will start double-dipping into their applicant pools because their first round of invitees didn't wow them.
University of Denver has invited candidates to campus. Texas State University San Marcos has invited candidates to campus. The Notre Dame search is now closed (an offer has been made, presumably).
Big question. What is better for a research-oriented career: taking a position at a lower-rank teaching university or wait around for next year's market?
re: barnard shortlist: i emailed the chair and she told me the are starting to read this week and have a decision, ie shortlist next week. they received 140 apps, btw. a lot but as crazy as 320 at amherst...
re: Barnard. Wow, that sounds like a lot for a teaching-oriented job. But I guess NYC is a big pull for many people. Thanks for the info on where the department is in terms of reviewing apps.
Re: big question -- you might want to search for advice at the Chronicle of Higher Education fora. Much good advice there.
It's not impossible to move up, but much of it will depend on your teaching load. Some of the mid-tier state schools have 3/2 or 3/3 loads. It's much more reasonable to think about cranking on your research and building your CV with that kind of load than with the 4/4 you'll see at many/most teaching schools.
The acronym for Loras is pretty funny. ;-) That said, it's Loras College, a SLAC in Dubuque, Iowa.
I alphabetized the list, it only took a few seconds.
i don't know if any of you could speak to this: when a position ad doesn't reveal the salary, do we have to wait to the (potentially never occurring) negotiation process to find out? Or is there a way to find out sooner? i would like to know sometime before even applying but have no idea how to do that, or if it's even possible, or if they are going to think i'm a moron (if i ask).
Re: Salary I was informed of the "approved" salary on the phone when one place was attempting to make my airline reservations for an on-campus interview. But I get the sense that this is not often the case. I was also advised to leave all discussion of money, including research resources, until an offer was actually extended. I'm sure others have different approaches/advice. Good luck! 11/7
yeah, i was also advised to leave $$ issues to the end, but i still would like to find out beforehand (i am the one who posted the question originally). it is so frustrating. not speaking of the dismal state of our market. arrgh.
you can find out *average* salaries, by rank (and sometimes by division) at the Chronicle of Higher Ed. If memory serves, the archive is organized by state, then school.
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What's up with the job market this year? I've had a couple of interviews, but no offers.
I really hate speakerphone interviews. I think that I handle them well, but I never get an invite afterwards, so who knows. There is a fine line between blowing your own horn and being a blowhard. In person there are subtle clues to let you know how you're going over. On the speakerphone, you have no ideas how you're being received.
I've been on the hiring end of these speakerphone travesties too, and so I know that people do roll their eyes at one another if you go on for too long, blissfully unaware that you've crossed a line that's visible only to those in the same room with the speaker.
Anyone have any information on the jobs at UNC-Wilmington or SUNY-Purchase?
Kent state has reopened its search, in spite of already having sent out rejection letters.
Someone I know made the first cut at UNC Wilmington, but then never heard back from them. It's been at least a month I think. My guess is that they're done or almost done.
I made the JMU short list and heard nothing else but noticed a listing for a 1-year position on the ASA site a few days ago. Did they lose funding for the tt position (again)??
I don't have many friends on the market this year (they all got hired last year, bless their productive souls) and I had to cancel the one on-campus I got (family disaster) so my info is limited.
Kent State has screwed up their hiring process for most of the past twenty years.
Speakerphone interviews are a waste of time, IMO. I've been on both ends and found as an interviewer (against my will) that I could only learn who had an intense accent, who was relaxed or tense during a phone interview, and who was entertaining. Not completely irrelevant but not much to go on.
A careful examination of the written record is much more useful and I found that phone interviews only encouraged my colleagues not to bother familiarizing themselves with a candidate's record.
Muhlenberg College conducted phone interviews last week and is inviting candidates now for interviews the first week of April.
Anyone interested in getting this going for this year's job market (fall 2007 jobs)?
yes, i'd love to see this started up again for this year's market...
Oregon: hopes to contact finalists around 10/25.
Denver: Candidates on campus late Oct/early Nov, hope to make offer before Thanksgiving.
Also saw on another site that Northwestern has scheduled interviews.
Miami has a short list.
I heard that Princeton started calling people for interviews..
has Miami contacted people yet for more info? do they make a shortlist just based on the CV? Trying to figure out if I'm already out of the running...
Has anyone heard from Kent State or Illinois-Chicago?
I applied to Kent and Illinois-Chicago and did not hear anything from them..
heard from others that Arizona and Michigan called candidates for interview..
indiana is lining up interviews as well
Kent State is scheduling interviews.
Has anyone heard from UAB, Marquette, or Western Illinois?
Has Chicago or Brown started the interviews?
is there a way to see the dates of these posts, instead of the time they were posted?
catholic u, berkeley, uc davis, wsu, harvard, and wwu all have invited candidates.
hawaii, ga southern, nebraska, and uab have shortlists (at least).
How many people usually are on the short list?
UC-Irvine is already interviewing their short list and will most likely hire from those 5 people.
# people on the short list=#candidates to be interviewed?
Can we switch the comment formatting so that it indicates the date of our comments? Right now it seems like we've got job talk for the 2006 year combined with newer info on the 2007 year?
I'd guess that only the person who started the blog and has the login/password can change the format.
Maybe if everyone from now on can just post the date along with their comments?
10-26-06
I haven't heard from Marquette yet, but I also hadn't heard from Kent State or UC Irvine and from other posts it sounds like both have already called folks on the short list, so take that for what it's worth.
I was also wondering if folks could spell out school names rather than use the letters - I know it might be a pain, but there are quite a few schools with the same 3 letters. Thanks!
10/26/06
Univ of South Dakota already has its shortlist
10/26/2006
Somebody mentioned earlier that Indiana is already interviewing, but which Indiana? Georgia U. in Athens already sent out first rejection letters. Will other schools ever notify rejects or just leave you hanging in the air? It is painful.
NYU already interviewing and closed its search
Penn State Altoona making their firts cut next week.
Loras College did phone interviews the second week of October.
10/26/06
Date: 10/26/06
Anybody heard from American University?
Chicago invitations went out, as have McGill. Also, I confirm that Harvard, UCLA are out.
10.26.2006
Purdue has a short list for hires (I know someone on it) and Kent State is interviewing (also know someone who received an interview there). University of North Florida has not made any decisions but has narrowed their list down as well.
UC Irvine has closed it's search for sure.
10/26/2007
Boston University is interviewing.
10/27/2006
10-29-06
job postings have slowed down significantly. is this it for this year's job market?
Anybody knows anything about the European job market? Where can you find job postings?
Anyone heard if Reed has made calls yet?
I applied to Reed and have not heard anything.
10/30/2006
I just got an email regarding a phone interview from Reed.
I know people who are giving talks at Indiana, UCSD, and McGill. Also, I know of a couple of people who have gotten emails from U-WA-Eaattle saying that they are interested but not calling folks yet.
has anybody heard from UC-Santa Cruz, SUNY-Albany or UNC-Charlotte?
10/30/06
or from UT-San Antonio?
10-30-06
I am curious about Charlotte as well. How about Denver...anyone?
10-30
Nothing from DU besides the initial letter
I thought Denver was out already. How about Pepperdine, CUNY City College, Marymount Manhattan College?
10/30/06
Do schools ever grace applicants with rejection letters?
I have not heard from SUNY-Albany or UNC-Charlotte either.
have not heard anything from Marymount Manhattan..
And, schools really vary in terms of how fast they review the applications and how soon they send rejection letters or emails. But, people from earlier years tell that few schools do not send rejection letters at all.
(10/30)
Northwestern sent out rejection emails after they generated their shortlist... so some schools do so, and in a timely manner.
University of Oregon sent out rejection letters.
10/31/06
Did University of Oregon send out the rejection by mails or emails?
Anybody hear from UAB and Case West University?
Oregon sent rejections by mail.
10/31/06
Anyone hear anything from Florida State, SUNY New Paltz, or Northern Illinois?
Columbia is interviewing already
I applied Florida State and did not hear anything.
i made UAB's short list, but haven't heard anything from them in a couple weeks.
Isn't the short list final list?
11/1/06
Short lists may or may not be final. I served on our search committee last year, and we had almost twice (nine) as many people on our "short list" as we had in for talks (five).
Anyone heard anything from Barnard or UMN-Twin Cities?
(And what school is "UAB"?)
11/1/06
11/1/06
UAB = Alabama-Birmingham. For the person on the UAB short list, did you do a telephone or on-campus interview with them?
From what I've been told, departments have a "long short list" and then a "short short list." The LSL will usually have 8-10 people, the SSL 3-5 people.
Some depts do telephone interviews with the long list, then narrow it down to the short list. Some just go straight to a short list. If they don't have accepted offers with any of the initial candidates on the short list, they'll start moving through the longer list.
It sounds like it varies quite a bit by dept.
11-2-06
"Anybody hear from UAB and Case West University?"
When I applied, Case Western said they would try to be in contact in late October. I have not heard anything since. Sigh. After today, about 3/4 of my schools will be past their deadlines.
Most of schools with deadlines on Oct 1 have made their short list, at least. I think most of them with Oct 15 deadlines have not made their final decision yet.
Does anyone know anything about Pacific Lutheran or U of Vermont?
Thank you.
Stony Brook has scheduled interviews.
"Does anyone know anything about Pacific Lutheran or U of Vermont?"
I applied to both and haven't heard anything either.
11-2-06
"I applied to both and haven't heard anything either."
Well, let's keep each other posted, then! Best of luck to you!
Not heard from Vermont either. And had high hopes for Stony Brook. Damn...
"And had high hopes for Stony Brook. Damn..."
I'm so sorry. I have high hopes for PLU, and it doesn't look good at the moment.
This is at once a tremendously useful place and a bearer of sucky information.
I check about every half-hour for more sucky information...
- D28
well, keep in mind that no one out here appears to have heard from vermont or plu yet!
anyone have any idea how to get this to more people? i'd guess a small sample of the soc types who are looking for a job are posting here.
We can post it to our department graduate student discussion lists, newsletters, etc...that might help.
I know for sure these places have invited people
NYU
Columbia
Princeton
Harvard and Harvard Society of Fellows
Michigan
UC Davis (both searches) UC Irvine, UCLA, Berkeley, UCSD
SUNY Stony Brook
Umass Amherst
Northwestern (already offered the job!) and Chicago
Loyola Chicago
Arizona
Indiana
Does anybody know anything about:
UConn, Toronto, Barnard and Pomona College?
Good luck!
Bummer. That's a long list...I thought I had a shot at Amherst, anyway.
Indiana Bloomington or IUP??
"I thought I had a shot at Amherst"
Things are so unpredictable in job market. Just let it go.
UCLA has also started interviewing
My Oregon rejection letter stated that they had 83 applications. I've heard of two other positions, one that had 50 and another that had 170.
Anyone sense that apps are down this year? Or are stories of depts getting 200-300 apps for every job an urban myth?
11/3/06
"Anyone sense that apps are down this year?"
You are probably right. I heard NCSU received more than 200 applications with a social inequality position last year.
I also received Oregon rejection letter, but I think 83 is reasonable since it is a statistics methods position.
Anybody heard from Brown?
10/3/06
Got a rejection (email) from UC Davis a couple days ago. If you like at the websites of UCLA and UC Berkeley, you can see that they have already scheduled several job talks. University of Chicago has scheduled job talks as well, though not posted on website. Several of the same people are interviewing at these schools.
Anyone have any info about Princeton's search for an assistant professor who specializes in non-western societies? Someone told me this position has been advertised for several years now. What's the deal?
Re: Princeton. They are looking for someone specializing in third world countries. I think they have their short list already.
SUNY Buffalo has also contacted people
SUNY Buffalo has already contacted people
Charlotte sent rejection letters by mail this week. They said it was a very competitive search with over 100 applicants.
11/3/06
Louisiana State Univ got 50 applications and is currently making their short list, but I believe they're still open to new applications.
11/3/06
Wiki format is much easier!!!
http://wikihost.org/wikis/academe/wiki/sociology
Three people (including me) in my department got emails on Monday or Tuesday from Reed College saying that they are "interested" in our applications and that they "might" schedule phone interviews next week. My department does have a somewhat large group on the market this year, but it makes me wonder just how many people Reed emailed... did anyone else receive a similar email? I guess I'm just trying to figure out if they emailed a short list or a medium list. Thanks!
11/3/06
11-3-06
Berkeley got 155 or so applications this year (for two jr positions), about the same as last year. The list was narrowed down to about 10 or 12, and then the faculty decided which six to bring in. I don't know if Berkeley gets quite as many apps as other "top" schools, but it makes me wonder which schools are getting 200+ applicants.
Someone posted that Kent is interviewing. Have rejection letters went out yet?
Anonymous said...
Wiki format is much easier!!!
http://wikihost.org/wikis/academe/wiki/sociology
12:48 PM
That links us right back to here...
"I don't know if Berkeley gets quite as many apps as other "top" schools, but it makes me wonder which schools are getting 200+ applicants."
Wasn't one of their searches pretty narrow? I seem to remember that..but I didn't pay close attention, since they're way out of my league!
Florida State is hiring senior positions first, but has contacted ~6 people for a junior short list -- to be decided a little later this month.
11/3/06
I think the Washington-Seattle list is not "short" but more medium or long. Have heard several people just at my school made the "short" list.
NCSU had over 200 last year!
I also received an e-mail from Reed College on Monday. They don't seem to know exactly when their phone interviews will happen. Hard to tell what being "very interested" means to them.
The wiki has lists of schools that have invited vs. those rumored to have made shortlists.
Perhaps others can add to them as well?
http://wikihost.org/wikis/academe/wiki/sociology
i heard from a reliable source that Amherst had 320 applicants! Davis had 80 for both searches - the social psych and the historical comp method (the junior one, anyway).
just to make sure: we are talking about Fall 2006 applications, right?
Montclair State University has contacted people for phone interviews
Montclair State University has contacted people for phone interviews
11/3/06
how does one find out that the schools have made longer or shorter shortlists? grapevine? or do they call potential "invitees"?
last year i got a few rejection letters, but not from all schools
11/3/06
Question: How do you know if you're on the shortlist (I mean the list of 12 to 15, from which they pick 3 to interview). Do they always ask for additional materials?
"just to make sure: we are talking about Fall 2006 applications, right?"
Applications submitted in Fall 06 for Fall 2007 semester
you often don't find out if you are on the longer short list. at my school, a three member committee selected about 10 ppl for the longer shortlist, then a faculty meeting decided which 4-5 to pick for the "real" short list,and invite them to interviews
anyone heard from american university?
anyone heard from Wesleyan, Worcester State, or University of New Hampshire?
11/3/06
Rather than posting, "Anyone heard from Iwant U.?", go check the list on the wiki.
If Iwant U. isn't there, nobody's heard anything yet.
http://wikihost.org/wikis/academe/wiki/sociology
Washington-Seattle has called in 4 people for interviews -- posted on their department calendar.
11/3/06
"Rather than posting, "Anyone heard from Iwant U.?", go check the list on the wiki.
If Iwant U. isn't there, nobody's heard anything yet."
Can you explain how this works, please? I know that if we post here, the posts show up right away...how do they get on that page? That list wasn't there when I checked earlier, and I already knew (from here) about all of those schools/
Besides, it seems to me that the mere posting of questions here serves as an outlet, regardless of whether the answers are on the wiki. (But I thought this was the wiki.) Is that not an appropriate use of this space?
Nice work by the person who put together the Wiki list. I didn't post there because it was tracking IP addresses. You can't be too paranoid during this process. ;-)
I am really bummed out about UW Seattle. Their dedline was on 11/1, how come they already have people for interviews? Seems grossly unfair to me.
What happens once the five stars of this year's market accepted/declined offers? Will schools move down on their lists or that's it for them for this year?
11/3/06
I am still looking for information on:
Western Illinois
Case Western
Marquette
South Florida
Anyone?
How about Indiana University of Pennsylvania?
If schools give offers to "superstars" or whoever and they get declined, they move on to the people on the "short list." If they don't fill the position from there (although most places will), they would move to the longer list, reopen the search, or scrap it for this year. But it's way too soon for that to have happened. Most schools are still creating their shortlists and inviting interviewees. Once people interview, it can take up to two weeks for them to negotiate or even turn down a contract.
No need to panic at this point if you haven't heard from places yet. It's still early, except for the major elite institutions. If you haven't heard from those places yet, you probably won't unless they had late deadlines. There are all sorts of deadlines that haven't passed even yet, and I keep getting new job ads still.
Good luck!
Can someone please explain how we update the list on the wiki? When I click on that link to update the list it brings me here anyway...what's the point?
On top there is a box that reads "edit page." click on that instead of the link that brings you here. Then, you can type. Scroll down and click on "save page."
Ohhhhhhhhh! Thanks!
Suffolk University posted an ad in the Jobbank with a Dec 15 deadline? They did the employment service thing in Montreal in August and asked people to apply immediately by then?
Anybody knows what's going on with them?
Got a letter from Scranton that said if I've not heard by 11/3, it's unlikely that they can pursue my application. I'm not posting them on the Wiki yet, but thought I'd let you guys know.
Penn State has decided on its top 3 candidates and will contact them in the next few days.
SUNY Albany has invited candidates out for interviews
Loyola Chicago has done phone interviews
do you have any other ideas besides the ASA Job bank for soc jobs?
check out:
Higher Ed jobs (google it)
Chronicle of Higher Education
UC-Boulder has already invited people and offered the job.
Marquette is currently interviewing its short list.
Marquette is interviewing its short list
So can we be like other disciplines and name names? Who are this year's sociological stars?
I don't think naming names is a great idea. I think it could open the door to hurtful gossip. But if you want to get an idea, all you have to do is look on the department calendars of many of the hiring schools. People are listed there, and you can start getting a sense of who's called where.
11/4/06
Are job talks normally listed as lectures and colloquia? I can't find anything other than that.
Thank you!
I think Penn State Altoona has its shortlist. Has anybody heard from them? How about Ann Arbor Organizational Studies?
11/5/2006
Michigan has advertised and searched for the organization studies position for at least the last three years.
Anyone heard from Northern Ill or Iowa State? I've not seen anything posted about them on Wiki, either.
11/5
yes often job talks are listed as colliqua on the sociology websites
Some thoughts from someone who did this a few years ago (and who has since served on a search committee).
1. No, a bunch of places won't ever send rejection letters/notices.
2. No, some places won't reopen searches after they've gone down their short list. They may close the search for the year right away.
3. No, people on the long-short list don't necessarily ever hear that they were on it.
4. No, once an offer is made, the situation is not necessarily resolved in two weeks. One of the main things candidates can (and should) negotiate in the beginning of the process is extra time to make a decision about accepting a position. I realize that's unfortunate for all others who are waiting, however, it's not good to be pressured and rushed into decisions of this sort.
5. Yes, some places will continue to search for months and months. Back when I was on the job market a couple of years ago, a good school called me in March to ask about an interview. By then I had taken another (luckily better) job so it was irrelevant. But this is just to show that one never knows how late jobs are still open. (I realize that's not helpful, but that's the reality of the sitution.)
11/5/06
Anyone heard from UC-riverside? I heard that they were going to send out short list notices soon.
Any word on Grinnell College? It sounded like they were going to move quickly after their Nov. 1 deadline.
11-6-06
Reed has started doing phone interviews.
Has anyone heard anything from Yeshiva?
any news from american university or lehigh? these do not seem to have colloquia that would reveal possible job talks...
Anyone hear from Barnard College yet?
On the list here, it's more useful if people post what they DO know than ask what they want to know. Then, we'll contintue to update the wiki list to reflect the collective knowledge....
"On the list here, it's more useful if people post what they DO know than ask what they want to know. Then, we'll contintue to update the wiki list to reflect the collective knowledge.... "
While I think there's some truth to that, I also think it's useful for people to post questions about places. A school might not be on the list on the wiki but people might still know information about it - which they might only think to post once a query has been made. I'm also not sure why it's bad to post questions - it's not like it takes all that much effort to scroll through them...
Why not have two categories-- one for people asking questions and one for people sharing info?
Re: posting questions on the list
I find it reassuring to know that others have not heard anything either. So please go ahead and post questions. Information about no information is still information.
10/6/2006
Cal State Northridge has contacted people from its first cut for phone interviews
Questions are a good thing!
A friend of mine was just called for an interview at UC-Riverside, to the individual who inquired.
I would not have thought of posting this b/c (1) i don't check the blog regularly and (2) it just wouldn't occur to me, given how many departments are hiring.
this then harkens a well-established and strong effect in social psychology: diffusion of responsibility. if we assume we all share the same information, then any given individual may be less inclined to post information (without solicitation) or even update the wiki (without solicitation). the question prompts the cultural schema, which then prompts relevant information sharing.
my 2 cents, anyway. let's keep the question and information sharing active. it requires little transaction cost and benefits many greatly.
Which departments (if any) have a reputation for hiring sociologists who don't specialize in any one particular sub-field? Or am I screwed?
Ditto from a non-social psychologist. :)
Is there an equivalent blog for people seeking post-docs?? If not I can start one.
It strikes me that most departments want to categorize applicants, even if they aren't hiring for a specific sub-field. Rumor has it that the "top" departments (i.e., Harvard, Berkeley, Wisconsin, etc.) generally do not look for specific sub-fields, but even then they still have preferences often. I sat on the search committee at my school last year, which was an open search, but certain sub-fields caught people's eyes more than others. So you might want to think about how you sell yourself - as a generalist, but with in-depth knowledge in at least one or two sub-fields.
to the person interested in post-docs: i would love to share, or rather get, more info on post-docs. all the postdocs i'm familiar with do not match my areas, so i would love to learn about others in case they are more appropriate...
lehigh still reading through applications...
Anybody heard from Scranton by the 3rd other than their standard letter?
Did anybody hear from University of Houston?
Anyone have info on Virginia Commonwealth's positions?
I'm wondering about Florida State. Have any junior candidates heard anything definite? They told me they were interviewing senior people first, but I haven't heard back.
has anyone applied to canada? how likely is it for a us resident to get a job there?
11-06-06
One of the professors in my dept. (who is from Canada) said that it's generally harder for Americans to get jobs there. The prof specifically cited McGill not wanting to be a stepping stone for Americans who want to stay there for a couple of years, then move to a university back in the US. But this might not be the case with other institutions in Canada.
then again they hired an american a couple of years ago (at mcgill). i don't quite get it.
u of victoria hasn't started interviewing yet, btw.
FWIW, Puget Sound sent a letter saying that it could take months but that all applicants will be notified when the search is over. I don't know whether that means anything.
I received a letter from Grinnell and it said that "The department is reviewing the applications and will identify ........ We hope to begin scheduling campus interviews by november 1." It is so strange. They sent the letter on the day of Nov. 1.
I got that same Grinnell letter back in Sepember.
I received a letter from Scranton saying if I'd not heard anything by 10/15, that I was probably out. But their deadline was 11/1, and they called the week of Oct 24 to check on my availability. So I don't know what's up there.
I'm wondering about the Indiana job. They are hiring for four positions. Which one(s) have been called? Or have they all been called?
I see that Indiana, Bloomington has already invited candidates. Did they invite candidates for all four open positions?
Sorry to keep posting this, I don't think the posts are going through. Has Indiana, Bloomington invited candidates for all four open positions?
Sorry about the first three posts, I didn't realize that the posts go in ascending order.
barnard is supposed to decide who to invite for interviews "next week or so."
Whoever posted on the wiki the info on Pomona.
How does s/he know about it? Has s/he been invited (or knows of someone who has), got a rejection letter or has been told by the committee.
Please let me know
Indiana scheduled interviews for the Race in Brazil position, I don't know the other ones
Indiana has scheduled for the global health position.
U of Southern Indiana has shortlist
I heard Pomona has invited candidates. As previous posts have indicated, rejection letters are unlikely to be sent until they have a group of candidates they're happy with--some departments will start double-dipping into their applicant pools because their first round of invitees didn't wow them.
re: Barnard - does anyone know if they have a shortlist?
University of Denver has invited candidates to campus. Texas State University San Marcos has invited candidates to campus. The Notre Dame search is now closed (an offer has been made, presumably).
Anyone hear about Pacific Lutheran or New Paltz?
Big question. What is better for a research-oriented career: taking a position at a lower-rank teaching university or wait around for next year's market?
Reed has invited at least one person for a job talk.
Re. big question - I can't help you, but I have to vote for leaving the lower-rank teaching jobs for those of us who really want those. ;)
re: barnard shortlist: i emailed the chair and she told me the are starting to read this week and have a decision, ie shortlist next week. they received 140 apps, btw. a lot but as crazy as 320 at amherst...
On the wiki, that someone so kindly alphebetized, there is a "Loras."
Please, what is a Loras, and does it speak for the trees?
Or is it the Lower Ohio River Academy of Sociology?
re: Barnard. Wow, that sounds like a lot for a teaching-oriented job. But I guess NYC is a big pull for many people. Thanks for the info on where the department is in terms of reviewing apps.
11/6/06
Providence College has contacted people on its long-short list - from what I hear, about 15 people
cal st. northridge has invited candidates for interviews.
Re: big question -- you might want to search for advice at the Chronicle of Higher Education fora. Much good advice there.
It's not impossible to move up, but much of it will depend on your teaching load. Some of the mid-tier state schools have 3/2 or 3/3 loads. It's much more reasonable to think about cranking on your research and building your CV with that kind of load than with the 4/4 you'll see at many/most teaching schools.
The acronym for Loras is pretty funny. ;-) That said, it's Loras College, a SLAC in Dubuque, Iowa.
I alphabetized the list, it only took a few seconds.
Loras College in Dubuque, Iowa
Yeshiva has invited people
i don't know if any of you could speak to this: when a position ad doesn't reveal the salary, do we have to wait to the (potentially never occurring) negotiation process to find out? Or is there a way to find out sooner? i would like to know sometime before even applying but have no idea how to do that, or if it's even possible, or if they are going to think i'm a moron (if i ask).
Cornell College, Mt. Vernon Iowa has invited people.
11/7
Re: Salary
I was informed of the "approved" salary on the phone when one place was attempting to make my airline reservations for an on-campus interview. But I get the sense that this is not often the case. I was also advised to leave all discussion of money, including research resources, until an offer was actually extended. I'm sure others have different approaches/advice. Good luck!
11/7
During my only campus interview, the search committee chairperson told me the salary at the end of my visit.
yeah, i was also advised to leave $$ issues to the end, but i still would like to find out beforehand (i am the one who posted the question originally). it is so frustrating. not speaking of the dismal state of our market. arrgh.
It seems safe to assume that most jobs start in the $40s or, at best, the low $50s.
Santa Cruz sent an email saying they have selected 3 candidates and two alternatives.
you can find out *average* salaries, by rank (and sometimes by division) at the Chronicle of Higher Ed. If memory serves, the archive is organized by state, then school.
11-7-06
Has any one heard from Minnesota (Twin Cities) about their immigration search?
FWIW: just got a rejection letter from San Francisco State University.
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